Genres

Reverend Campbell:

Matt McMadden:

Reverend Campbell:

Razorhog:

Matt McMadden:

It's stupid to combine death metal with black metal. They're two totally different "styles" of metal.

Try telling that to Withered

...or Dissection, Akercocke, Anaal Nathrakh, Axis of Advance, Belphegor, and about 6000 more bands...

 

 

 

It's fine for a band to combine both genres into their music. What I meant is that it's stupid to put death metal and black metal together for classification. They're completely different, obviously, and that means that a band like Cannibal Corpse would recieve the Death Metal/Black Metal tag even though their purely a death metal band.

Sorry if I took your statement out of context.

...but sometimes it does need to be done for classification.  Obviously, not in the case of CC, because that would be erroneous.  But how else would you describe bands that meld the two genres?

Blackened death? Not sure how you feel about the term, but I can't think of a better classificiation for a band like Behemoth, for instance.

Reverend Campbell:

Matt McMadden:

Reverend Campbell:

Razorhog:

Matt McMadden:

It's stupid to combine death metal with black metal. They're two totally different "styles" of metal.

Try telling that to Withered

...or Dissection, Akercocke, Anaal Nathrakh, Axis of Advance, Belphegor, and about 6000 more bands...

 

It's fine for a band to combine both genres into their music. What I meant is that it's stupid to put death metal and black metal together for classification. They're completely different, obviously, and that means that a band like Cannibal Corpse would recieve the Death Metal/Black Metal tag even though their purely a death metal band.

Sorry if I took your statement out of context.

...but sometimes it does need to be done for classification.  Obviously, not in the case of CC, because that would be erroneous.  But how else would you describe bands that meld the two genres?

Then they could put both black metal and death metal tags for the band. But to combine both to make one tag is stupid because any band that's either/or would automatically receive both as a tag. For a band that actually is both, all they have to do is put Black Metal/Death Metal and wah lah, problem solved.

Twilight Frost:

trezevant:

Reverend Campbell:

Razorhog:

Matt McMadden:

It's stupid to combine death metal with black metal. They're two totally different "styles" of metal.

Try telling that to Withered

...or Dissection, Akercocke, Anaal Nathrakh, Axis of Advance, Belphegor, and about 6000 more bands...

I thinks he means combining them as far as genre delineation goes, rather than combining the actual styles musically.

Anyway I don't really ever 'check;' I just listen and decide based on my own internal classification system. It's not like there's any real authority that determines what the 'right' genre tag for a band is.

Also, seconded on the M-A having too many tr00 kvlt asshats. They won't let Today Is the Day have a page because they "aren't metal." Fail.

TItD is too good for those fuckers anyway.

TitD isn't metal. Extreme/underground etc but not metal. They have Thin Lizzy, Samson and Deep Purple on there but not Blue Oyster Cult or Micehal Schenker Group, there are lost of inconsistencies.

lee:

Twilight Frost:

trezevant:

Reverend Campbell:

Razorhog:

Matt McMadden:

It's stupid to combine death metal with black metal. They're two totally different "styles" of metal.

Try telling that to Withered

...or Dissection, Akercocke, Anaal Nathrakh, Axis of Advance, Belphegor, and about 6000 more bands...

I thinks he means combining them as far as genre delineation goes, rather than combining the actual styles musically.

Anyway I don't really ever 'check;' I just listen and decide based on my own internal classification system. It's not like there's any real authority that determines what the 'right' genre tag for a band is.

Also, seconded on the M-A having too many tr00 kvlt asshats. They won't let Today Is the Day have a page because they "aren't metal." Fail.

TItD is too good for those fuckers anyway.

 

TitD isn't metal. Extreme/underground etc but not metal.

Please point to the feature of In the Eyes of God/after-era TITD that makes them 'not metal.' Their stuff has EVERY hallmark of extreme metal short of guitar solos; fuck, they've had three well-known metal drummers in the ranks (Brann Dailor, Mike Rosswog, Derek Roddy), PLUS Austin produces metal albums all the time. Literally anyone who isn't heavily, heavily into metal would classify them as a metal band.

By the way, I hear they're headlining Maryland Deathfest next year. I can't wait to watch all the fat bald 50 year old NYDM dudes cry about how they're not 'real metal' and blah blah and then rock the fuck out to their super heaviness.

There is nothing about TitD that is Heavy Metal, things can be extreme, loud, fast and heavy but not be Heavy Metal.  Converge isn't metal either, neither is shit like Pelican and other stuff along those lines, should Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies (early not when they crossed over) and Husker Du be called metal as well? It has nothing to do with how good they are, they just simply don't play Heavy Metal. I don't care how a bunch of kids classify them anyways. Those same types would called Linkin Park and Disturbed metal as well.

The NYDM dudes are probably mostly in their 30's like me and probably suprisingly more tolerant of a band like TitD then I am since New York metal was always crossed with hardcore to some degree, especially when those dudes were coming up.

Besides, it is there site and I guess they can do whatever they want and if keeping out hardcore and nu metal means that much to them, ok.

lee:

There is nothing about TitD that is Heavy Metal, things can be extreme, loud, fast and heavy but not be Heavy Metal.  Converge isn't metal either, neither is shit like Pelican and other stuff along those lines, should Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies (early not when they crossed over) and Husker Du be called metal as well? It has nothing to do with how good they are, they just simply don't play Heavy Metal. I don't care how a bunch of kids classify them anyways. Those same types would called Linkin Park and Disturbed metal as well.

The NYDM dudes are probably mostly in their 30's like me and probably suprisingly more tolerant of a band like TitD then I am since New York metal was always crossed with hardcore to some degree, especially when those dudes were coming up.

Besides, it is there site and I guess they can do whatever they want and if keeping out hardcore and nu metal means that much to them, ok.

The reason that I mentioned the fact that virtually all non-metal people would call them a metal band is that I think those of us who are into metal can get a little rigid regarding our definitions, particularly when it comes to what is and isn't metal.

Personally I think that if it sounds like metal, then it is metal. The Black Flag/Husker Du comparison is kind of a false parallel because those bands clearly land under the hardcore punk umbrella, but TiTD has less punk influence than even Converge does--I don't hear any actually (there might be some 90s noise rock in there but that's it). Huge chunky distorted guitars, blastbeats and double bass, screamed vocals (often about Satan and hatred and whatnot), no punk background whatsoever...they've got more metal in their sound than any other genre by a wide margin, and that's enough to classify them as metal to me. If some punk/whatever influence makes you not a metal band then Slayer shouldn't be on Metal-Archives either.

Besides, M-A has a page for freaking Caliban. If they're then TiTD should definitely be.

trezevant:

lee:

There is nothing about TitD that is Heavy Metal, things can be extreme, loud, fast and heavy but not be Heavy Metal.  Converge isn't metal either, neither is shit like Pelican and other stuff along those lines, should Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies (early not when they crossed over) and Husker Du be called metal as well? It has nothing to do with how good they are, they just simply don't play Heavy Metal. I don't care how a bunch of kids classify them anyways. Those same types would called Linkin Park and Disturbed metal as well.

The NYDM dudes are probably mostly in their 30's like me and probably suprisingly more tolerant of a band like TitD then I am since New York metal was always crossed with hardcore to some degree, especially when those dudes were coming up.

Besides, it is there site and I guess they can do whatever they want and if keeping out hardcore and nu metal means that much to them, ok.

The reason that I mentioned the fact that virtually all non-metal people would call them a metal band is that I think those of us who are into metal can get a little rigid regarding our definitions, particularly when it comes to what is and isn't metal.

Personally I think that if it sounds like metal, then it is metal. The Black Flag/Husker Du comparison is kind of a false parallel because those bands clearly land under the hardcore punk umbrella, but TiTD has less punk influence than even Converge does--I don't hear any actually (there might be some 90s noise rock in there but that's it). Huge chunky distorted guitars, blastbeats and double bass, screamed vocals (often about Satan and hatred and whatnot), no punk background whatsoever...they've got more metal in their sound than any other genre by a wide margin, and that's enough to classify them as metal to me. If some punk/whatever influence makes you not a metal band then Slayer shouldn't be on Metal-Archives either.

Besides, M-A has a page for freaking Caliban. If they're then TiTD should definitely be.

I classify TItD as a noise rock band (if one that's admittedly more "extreme" than most). Most of their heavier influences sound more grind to me than anything, which, of course, is an offshoot of punk, not metal (even though metal and grind have become closely related over the years).

I can see your point, I'm not dissing them at all. I haven't heard a ton of their songs but enough to know they are not for me, but good at what they do. The only Lamb of God song I ever liked was the Austin screamed on, on NAG.

You see what I mean by fucking Sampson (who are not metal by any strech of the imigination outside of sounding like Hughes ear Deep Purple with Bruce on vocals) being there and not fucking Blue Oyster Cult which is just retarded.

I mean you have Motley Crue and Dokken but you don't have Black n Blue and Ratt? Some makes no sense.

I should go out and find a copy of Land Speed Record and Mould's - Black Sheets of Rain again, it has been eons since I heard those albums.

Twilight Frost:

I use my ears and generally stick to very broad labels. No sense in using too many. Melechesh wants to be called "Mesopotamian Metal", eh? How about black/thrash, instead.

quoted because this is basically what my answer would have been.